Singer's PATH Podcast

Why Singing Stops Feeling Fun — and How to Reignite Your Creative Fire

Sarah Bishop Season 1 Episode 48

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In this episode, we'll talk about reigniting your creativity and finding your fire again- especially walking into 2026.  


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If you are tired of not making progress and you're ready to be the artist, you know you're meant to be, you are in the right place. You are listening to the Singers Path podcast. The path or performing artist training hub will cover everything, including singing tips that actually work, advice from top industry professionals, and life-changing mindset shifts out with the starving artist and in with the Thriving Artist. I'm your host, Sarah Bishop, professional, singer, actor, educator, and entrepreneur. I'm not afraid to speak the truth and stop the gatekeeping of quality information. So you can actually become the artist you dream of being. So let's get on the path, shall we? Even though we're all on our own journeys, it always helps to have a guide. Hello. Hello. Welcome back to the Singers Path podcast. It's me, your host, Sarah Bishop. And today's a punchier episode, mostly because I put this off too, too late in the day. And my husband and I have dinner plans and Amanda needs to add up up. So this is gonna be a punchy episode. Um, hopefully. And we're gonna cover something that's pretty important, um, that happens to every singer. There was a whole other episode about the trap that happens when you study singing intensely, uh, or you choose to have it as a profession. I think this goes for anything in life, any kind of artistry, anything you choose to study As a craft, what ends up happening is, um, sometimes we can lose our joy. It can suck out our joy. And that's a no go because then we lose the reason why we started doing this in the first place. Okay? So there's some really, uh, fun ways to reactivate your joy. And then there's also the opportunity, um, to look inwards at kind of what's causing us to get away from our joy. Um, so that's what we're gonna cover today. I mean, it's the holidays coming up when I'm recording this. I can't believe that Christmas is a week away. That's insane. It's also two days until my birthday. When I'm recording this, so that's crazy too. I am excited for my birthday. I guess. I mean, when you're in your thirties at a certain point you're just like, do, wait, so I turned 30 a little while ago, so I'm not 30, but I'm, and I'm not the year after 30 because then that I would remember that 'cause that was closer, but now I don't remember. That's what it's like being in your thirties after 31, you're like, oh. How old am I? So that's how this birthday is going, but I'm excited for tomorrow. I have a nice day plan. It should be pretty easy. I'm not sure if I'm gonna record a podcast on my birthday. I was trying, I was gonna try not to work. Um, which I don't know if that ever happens, um, to not work at all. But, um, I. That's the plan right now. So that's why we're doing this, this episode right now. Reminder, I know there's probably gonna be another thing that plays, um, appreciate you, but you only have a couple weeks left to get into that inner circle and, um, at the founder's rate. And the reason I'm being so, uh, badery about it, like I am talking about it a lot because it's my job for you to know about it. And I just know to the core of my heart, I just know how many people it's gonna help. And if you're a listener, if you know a singer, if you know another kind of artist that struggles with. These complexities of like, you know what I'm gonna talk about today? Like, we get away from our joy and then it becomes really difficult and you know, it's like artists tend to be really passionate people. So when they lose their passion for something that they made a lot of sacrifice and a lot of life choices around it can be a lot. So if you know anyone that's pursuing. Singing professionally or any kind of art professionally, I'm, I'm really want you, I, I make less money. If you guys get in at the founder's rate, you have to understand my motivation is not to make money. I would make more money if you heard about this later and you joined for more than $2 a day or less. Really, it's less than $2 a day. It's not even $2 a day to join this subconscious support, this neural rewiring around the stuff we're gonna talk about today. And like, it's not in my best interest to push out the lowest rate it's gonna be to you right now. You have to understand that, like, I just want you to have access to it because I know how important it is, and I want you to get it at the lowest price possible. So that's why you really gotta check out the Inner Circle. And if you know any artists in your life, like this is the perfect gift. And you know why? Because it, it shows. That you care and support their dreams truly because the inner circle teaches them how to genuinely support themselves internally, all of the ha the, the craziness that happens as an artist. This gives you that support, that support to reclaim your creativity when it comes up. Um. That extra, uh, handholding to, you know, look inward at, you know, what is our relationship around our creativity? Why did we start doing this in the first place, and how did we get away from it? And also like other themes, like if we wanna be visible, we wanna grow our content, how do we, how do we make our systems feel safe to be able to do that, to be able to get our art on the map? How do we, how do we learn? To have a better relationship with money so we can fund our own art so we can continue making things so we don't have to just be surviving and scraping by and not in a state where we can really be making things where it's easier for us to fall out of our joy, around our art. And may, you know, maybe it's something around self-worth, right? You've always, I've always been insecure about dancing, like, you know, an artist that just doesn't quite understand or know how to believe in themselves. Ruthlessly, we're always told that. We're always told, Hey, you have to believe in yourself more than. Anybody else will believe in you. And yet no one like actually gives you the step-by-step process to, at a psychological subconscious level be able to do that. And that's why this is co-created with a therapist, with other experts who specialize in this. I'm not just gonna like give you crap, right? Like this is the perfect. Gift for an artist because it it, when you give this to an actor, a singer, a dancer, anyone that's trying to do this professionally, what you're saying is, I believe in you. I know you can do this, and I, I know you're in this for the long run. It's really offering them support. It's offering them support for their dreams at the deepest level possible so that they can return to the whole reason they did this in the first place, so they can be iron clad in their resilience. So they can feel safe to express in the way that they want so that they can learn to let go of opportunities that weren't for them so they can grow their following so that they can grow their fan base so they can get closer to the relationship with money, and so that they can ultimately like manifest and bring in the things that they want in their life. Like that's ultimately what this does. It teaches artists to become their best versions of self, their most, uh, their internally safe version of self so that they can take the scary action. Um, anyway, there's also two live calls a month. It's absolutely wonderful. I'm so psyched, guys, the lineup for classes that we have in 2026 with these professionals who are gonna come, and it's not even just all of the, the internal work. That's behind being an artist and holding yourself through the ups and downs of this. But there's also career strategy in here too. Like this is real career strategy, um, with people who specialize in helping people in different areas. Um, specifically I have some acting, um, people like career strategists for actors and branding yourself. Um, we have possibly some agents on the line maybe coming in. Like none of this is set in stone yet, but that's just to get excited. It's worth the cost just for that to, to ask questions and hear the insight from industry professionals who specialize in these things. So anyway, I just, if you have an artist in your life and you're not sure what to give them, it's this. It is this, this is the thing that's separating them from where they wanna be. They're that, that belief in themself. If it isn't ironclad, it isn't strong. If they're wavering, if they're in a down slump, or even if they're not a down slump and they're in it for the long game and they wanna have a long successful career, this without a doubt will always keep them. Having that strength inside of them and, um, holding onto the whole reason they did this in the first place. So all of that to say, please go check out the inner circle. It's gonna, the founder's rate's gonna be over by January 7th, so, uh, I want you to have a cheap, so go check it out. Okay? Anyway, um, let's talk about reactivating that creativity, y'all. So what ends up happening is. You know, the many themes that I talked about that the inner circle covers, you know, some artists get swept up in like a Joby job where they, you know, they realize they need more money to be creative. So like, this happens to me, and the whole reason why I'm also in the inner circle doing this work is because, you know, the focus becomes on the thing that's like making money or that's blossoming. So for me it was business, right? And so as I'm focusing all of my effort on my business. It takes away the priority to also be creative, right? So if all my time is spent doing content and making emails and, you know, teaching and developing products and doing all this kind of businessy stuff, even though it's related and it's creative and it's nature, and who it's serving and what it's doing. It ultimately is not me writing my own music. It's not me acting right. So through this process, it was easy for me to put creative projects that I was scared of doing on the back burner and to also neglect my self care, my creative self care, because what ends up happening when we are. When we're someone that thrives and we decide to go into this professionally, it is an act of self-care to continue to prioritize projects that are meaningful to us and not just projects that make us money. Right? And so for me, the project that makes me money is my business and obviously making content and, and doing all this stuff. And yes, that's sort of creative, but when I let my cre, my own creative projects go to the back burner and don't prioritize them, I am neglecting parts of myself. Right. And actually what ends up happening and what has been happening by applying what the work that we do in the spotlight system that's in part of that inner circle membership by walking the walk and talking. And the talk of what I'm trying to explain to you is like. Gonna fucking light up people's worlds over here while I'm doing it. This is what's unfolding my, my creative projects, what I care about are starting to explode because I'm doing that internal work. So I'm getting connected with people that can help those make those creative projects. A reality, but this has been to get me to this point, has taken time of doing that internal work, mostly because I got away from my own creative play. When you get sucked into making money out of your art, it can get, it can be really easy to get away from the whole reason you did this in the first place. So if I rewind right, like I'm currently at the point where I'm finally like truly reactivating my creative play. There are plans in motion. There are projects that have already been finished. There are relationships being built where the creativity is taking just as much of a priority. As you know, making money and having a job, and like trying to audition and all of that, as I elevate the creativity, actually more money and more opportunity comes in, and that's another reason why like the money and creative energy are absolutely so important and so in sync. Because it's like you end up proclaiming to the universe or whatever, Hey, my creative intuition and like what I'm being shown to make into this world fucking matters, and I'm gonna trust that and, and then not only that, but it also lights you the fuck up. So then you become a lot of happier and healthier, which then makes you thrive in others, other areas of your life. So that's why I keep saying this. Focusing on cre, creating things, reactivating play, and making it fun again, why that's so significant is that it has, it has its, you know, it filters back into everything else. It makes you a better version of yourself because you're truly taking care of who you truly are by playing with yourself, right? In that way, and that that wasn't meant to sound weird, but you know what I mean, playing in the act. Activation of allowing that creative child that, that joy that you initially got when you started doing this in the first place. Another way people can really get out of their, um, creative play and really feel just like, wow, like this just isn't fun anymore. Right? Beyond the slog of needing to make money and the stress that can, you know, it kind of divorces you from the joy of the marriage you had of your art to begin with. Another thing that can really kind of divorce you from your joy and feel like you're out of your joy with your creativity. And singing is, Hey, maybe you had a really serious job for a long time. Like the first time that this actually happened to me where I felt devoid of joy in my art and just really felt like I really needed to mix it up and focus on something else was when I was in cabaret for a long time. That's very dark subject material, and so I was constantly. Like thinking about very dark things and like every single day. And at a certain point it just kind of made me feel sad and drained. Like doing certain roles that are really difficult, whether you're seeing them or you're acting them. Um, dark material can really drain you of your joy in your light. Even if you're doing your, the thing you love. Sometimes even the material that you're addressing can drain you. So you. Reactivating the play and basically inviting that inner child back in, sorry, I hit my piano, but inviting basically the inner child that is the part of you that's obsessed with doing this to begin with. Somewhere along the way, whether it's with money or stress or you have a job that's, you know, not allowing them to kind of breathe and. Do something a little bit lighter. What ends up happening is that inner child, in a sense that wants to play, kind of gets put to the wayside and we more or less tell them, Hey, we're not able to play right now. We're not prioritizing that play. And then they can get jaded. They can get mad, they can't get up to. Set and then ultimately, sometimes it can stop us from doing the thing we loved to begin with. Or in the case of you were doing a really serious job, it just, you just feel drained. Like you just feel like your pilot light is out. You can't get, you know, you can't get started again. Sometimes you, I mean, sometimes things can happen in your life. I mean, it's life where you have a cre, you feel like someone doused your, your. Light in general, like if you got dumped or you know, a bad situation happened or someone dies. Like there's things that can happen where it can feel like. All elements of you are out, right? Like the best way I can describe this is like a pilot light. Like anytime I've gone through great, um, bouts of grief in my life, it does kind of feel like that. Like where is like the joy and fun in my life? I decided to be an artist. Why does making something feel so freaking hard? Like, I wanna do anything else but that. But that's what I'm saying is like sometimes the thing, especially in those moments. Where being creative and like writing a song or painting a picture might seem like the last thing you want to do. More often than not, the way to return to yourself is to return to the original purpose that you started doing this in the first place. So if it's for singing, returning to singing as a tool of. Self soothing, which is what singing has been for a lot of us growing up. Right. So like when no one understood how to sing, we would just sing as children.'cause it was fun and it was soothing and it was, it was playful. So in order to. Like when, say you're on the floor, like you did a really dark subject, you your pilot lights out, maybe you got dumped. You're just, or maybe you're just so far away from your dream and your joy, you don't even know where to start. You're like, I just know I'm not really myself. I know I'm not really having fun in my life and I know this other thing used to bring me joy. How do I reactivate that creative play? The first thing is do like so that you don't overwhelm yourself. Right? First of all, just like ask. Ask yourself what would be something that wouldn't feel overwhelming but would feel delightful? That has to do with your art, right? So for if, say you had a, a show, right? You did something dark material and you just feel like so drained and so heavy and like, you know, doing your art really isn't fun right now because all about doing this job. What, like ask this artist, child of yours, like journal about it. You can journal about it. You can ask, you can get in the inner circle, there's an entire program that's about reactivating creative play, which is more or less the artist's way on crack. Not only is it like you can use the artist's way while you do it, but like they all, we also use hypnosis and subconscious reprogramming to help. To help contact your, your inner artist child and ask like, what is it that I need? And help get your brain and your system on board to do that, to do those steps. So obviously in the Inner Circle membership like this exists, but. Like the first thing you can do is ask like, what will be one step? Like what's one simple thing that I can do that's not gonna feel overwhelming, but like I can't get in the habit of, for example, maybe it's like just starting to sing in the shower again. Like maybe you're someone like, I've done this too, when I'm singing all day long and I'm like listening to people sing all day long. I stopped singing. And so then it was became a habit of like, wow. I used to like going back to when it was simple. I used to sing in the shower as a kid, like every day. Like that was my refuge. That was my place of self-soothing. That was my, my, one of my biggest places of joy. Is it possible, can the one thing be that every time I get in the shower, IS. Right, like kind of kind of stacking habits. And so when you're returning to a habit that you used to have as a child when your creativity was flowing and more easy, it's easier for you to contact and reclaim that joy that you once had and start to practice that joy. Um, another major step that you can do, again, we're so punchy today. I'm just like busting through this, but I think. Whoever needs this will find it. Another thing is we can, we can actually lose a lot of our creative joy out of fear of perfectionism too. So say you, you know, you've been working on a project, you've been writing a script for seven years. Okay. Or you're, you're re-editing, rethinking, like, you don't wanna post the YouTube video. You're like second guessing it, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Actually, perfectionism is really just a form of. Um, self-sabotage in the sense that it's. You're just delaying posting it, right? There's a word. Oh my God. What is the fucking word that I'm trying to think of? Procrastinating. Procrastinating is the word. Perfectionism is just a form of procrastination. And what you're doing is you're fixating on something needing to be perfect because you are afraid that if it's not perfect, you will be, you know, rejected and there's, you don't feel safe. Unless it's perfect and you have control over it, so you keep working on it, working on it, working on it, your brain's very smart and it's, what it's really doing is it's spinning its wheels in an effort to, to have you never post it so that you stay safe or you stay where you are. Right? Even though you know consciously that's not what you want, you, you know, you want to share things, but when you have a subconscious story of perfectionism running, which is really just a sneaky way of procrastinating. That can ruin your joy because then you become obsessed with detail and you're not really being mindful of just the, the whole reason you probably started to do this to begin with, which was just to finish it and to complete it. Right? So one of the main steps is if you're noticing, Hey, I, I'm having a hard time sharing this. It doesn't feel fun. I, you know, I'm having a hard time, you know, finishing these projects. The action step then to reactivate the creative play is a, you can help invite your inner child out and actually purposely make something messy. So like make a version that's purposefully bad. Sometimes what that does is it can activate, you don't have to post that, but even just the act of doing it can help like this inner child in us, because really when we're being creative and we're making things. This is a younger version of us that we're playing with that has this creative impulse and that's so gifted. And so when you kind of let that inner teenager or that inner child, in a sense, come out and do it messy and do it wrong, actually, Steph Park talks about this in the interview that we did a few weeks ago of how. Sometimes in order to have a breakthrough with our art, whether that's returning to our joy or to up level as a singer in our technique, or to be able to do X, Y, Z thing, you actually have to like regulate yourself through it being bad and allow yourself to kind of tantrum a little bit and do it badly Often. That can be a really healing element. To returning to moving past perfectionism because it's like, well, fuck it, I'm gonna do it bad and whatever. And sometimes that kind of defiance in the inner child can really free it up and make it fun. Like sometimes, I mean like it's like making it a game. Like if you're trying to connect with a child, which is your inner. Inner artist, right? The the person that you need to connect back with yourself that's lost is joy because you haven't been playing with them'cause you've been ignoring them because you've been focusing on X, Y, Z thing. That's why you've got lost touch with your joy. What would entice a child? Well, making it a game, making it fun, making it messy. When we're kids, we make a fucking mess. Right, like if you're an artist and you've been like obsessed with color theory and making it fucking perfect, why don't you just make something purposely messy? Why don't you fucking finger paint or something? Like do it the opposite way. If you're a singer and you've been hyper fixating on getting this perfect before you release it on TikTok or Instagram or YouTube and you've been hyper, hyper fixating, all it has to be absolutely perfect. What if you sang something like that you used to like to sing and you like. J kind of sang it badly for a second. Like, is it possible to get your system to be okay with singing it badly? And if it's not, can you learn to regulate through singing it badly? Because again, on the other side of being okay and accepting where you are is actually where the breakthrough is. And if you keep resisting. Well, I needed to be so diligent and so military, and it has to be perfect and dah, dah, dah, dah. That of course, is gonna suck out your joy. Okay, so do the opposite to return to your joy. So basically, it's like they talk about this in the artist's way too. It's like there's almost this nostalgic element to reclaiming the fire of your creative joy, because ultimately what you're doing is reconnecting with a younger version of you that started like enjoying doing this. Art to begin with, right? Sometimes you can journal about, you know, how when did you first start doing this art that you got away from? So if it's singing, how did you use to enjoy singing? Like, what did you use to sing? What music, right? Like where would you sing? Would you sing by yourself? Would you sing with your parents? Would you sing with your family? Would you sing at church? And more or less what you're doing is you're starting to recreate a relationship with that inner child saying, Hey, I'm sorry, I kind of stopped focusing on the fun of this. And I know it's hard to create when you know it doesn't feel fun anymore. You know, can, can we return to the things that we once did to develop a better relationship? Like, you know, it's, it's more or less kind of a, an element of like parts work that happens, right? Like revisiting younger versions of yourself and tuning in and being like, Hey, y'all like. Can we, can we have fun singing again? When was the last time I had fun singing again and touch base with that, whether it's through journaling? Um, now again, there's a whole program that exists with this in the inner circle called Reactivating Creative Play that exists. And again, the best way that I can describe this program that exists. It's like the artist's way on crack. And if you've never heard of the Artist's Way, it's literally like a life-changing book that will help you reactivate your creative play. But we just take it like this. This program that exists in the inner circle is amplifying that, right? It takes. It basically invites you to use the Artist's Way, which is a book, right? Anybody can get it. It's not very expensive. Um, it's a 12 week program, more or less. It's a 12 step creative recovery program, but then in the Inner circle. So it takes the artist's way and it goes, Hey, so here's this already amazing thing that's helped millions of people all over the world, this 12 step. Creative recovery program. And we're also gonna add an element of nervous system regulation, an element of hypnosis. We're gonna add some extra exercises. And also there's the accountability because I think the hard part in artist recovery and uh, creative recovery is that we lack accountability when we're not doing it with someone else. Like, I don't know about you, but if you've ever done the artist's way. I think, I can't remember what week it is, if it's week six or week five, there's one week where there's a no reading week. And without a doubt, like every time I've done it, I've like fallen off that week until I was in a group where we were all doing it together. So that's another reason why the inner circle is awesome because. We do challenges and stuff that help us hold each other accountable through doing these things. So doing creative recovery and doing the hypnosis. Or maybe you'll even find a buddy within that membership that wants to do the artist's way with you and partner it with the Reactivating Creative Play program. So all that to say, um, these are certain elements that you can incorporate. When you're noticing like, Hey, I've gotten away from my joy. Whether it's because it's been stress related, money related, I am, I'm putting so much pressure on myself, um, or the job that I have isn't really bringing me joy and I'm too tired and drained at the end of the day to return to something that makes me happy. Um, or maybe it's like you've lost all your joy because you've become such a perfectionist about it, or you've, you've become so micromanagement. Based for yourself. Like say it's singing, you're, you're so obsessed with it being technically perfect that you're not just allowing yourself to express and create the way that you used to. So the way to return back to that is a touching base with the younger version of yourself, whether you're doing it in the inner circle with the whole program that exists in there, whether you're doing it through the artist's way, or at least you just start to journal and start to touch base with the younger parts of you that did. Once, fall in love with this and you start rekindling a relationship with that and allowing them to be a little naughty and allowing them to be a little messy and allowing yourself to move past the perfectionism and the heaviness that you've been carrying around. And that more often than not, that's just a part of it, but that will help revive it, right? So I'm gonna leave you here with this find if it's singing, 'cause most of you guys are singers, so. If you've kind of gone away from your joy of singing and you're noticing that doesn't seem fun anymore, or it feels like it's hard to return to, or you feel like you become obsessed with technique. I want you to remember what I call a soul song. What is a song when you were a child that just lit you up to sing? For me, it was part of your world always. So return to singing the Soul song. And then the second thing I'd have you do if you're just like trying to reactivate creativity at all and like get started again off of. Off of some kind of block, then do a stacking situation like Habit Stack. So for me, when I realized that I wasn't singing that much because I was listening to other people sing all day long, but I really wasn't singing for myself, I would stack that habit with singing in the shower again, because again, I'm touching base with where did I fall in love with singing to begin with. Okay. Can I, can I, in that scenario, can I hold myself accountable by allowing myself to sing things that light me up just while I'm in the shower? Just to get it started. And, um, also, I just wanna say this, if you do feel like your light is out and you're just feel like you're slogging along and you know, your pilot light's out and you don't know how to get it started, and I just, I just wanna say I see you. This is, this is a challenging part of being a creative, but it's inevitable. I think people come in and out of it, but. There's nothing wrong with you. It's just a matter of making it fun again, figuring out a way for you to make it fun again. And there are resources available. Again, there's the Inner Circle membership. I highly, highly recommend this, especially while it's lower priced guys. So there's that. And there's also always the Artist way, which is an invaluable tool for artists all over the world. And with that, I hope you guys have a wonderful holiday. Season. I hope you get to do something fun and delightful for your inner child during this holiday season. Whether that's rest, whether that's playing a game, whether that's just having a good old giggle with one of your family members. I really, really, really, really hope, sincerely that you have a wonderful holiday season. I really appreciate you listening. If you like this podcast, please leave us a five star written review. Um, and then if you actually take a screenshot of that. Oh my God, so appreciated. First of all, I love connecting with you guys. Second of all. 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Until next time, I'm your host, Sarah Bishop, signing off from the Singers Path podcast. Thanks for listening.